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Congratulations for making the Un-Slop Fiction cut! This is an ambitious project in a short period of time.

This is all new to me, and mind stretching. Here are some random thoughts and questions in response...

If I understand correctly, branding in marketing can be a form of Hyperstition. If one says something publicly in a *potent* way and do so often enough then the concept can stick. (And there are tricks to this, per [The 11 immutable laws of Internet branding : Ries, Al](https://archive.org/details/11immutablelawso0000ries_b5c6)). I suppose Trump's strategy of "repeat it often enough and it becomes true" a form of dark hyperstition.

> Pretty good, even. It is possible to resonate with synthetic emotion and pathos.

I wonder to what conception of emotion you adhere?

(I'm considering submitting to the 4S panel 87 "87 Affect and Artificial Intelligence" a piece that argues that AI cannot produce affect unless we agree on what affect is. In other words, terms emotion and affect need to be qualified by the theory of affect and emotion we are using. This extends Daniel Dennett's paper "Why you can't make a computer that feels pain" (his answer: because concepts of pain are incoherent in the first place). But I digress.)

> What sounds like a whimsical idea has research to back it up. Among other interesting research, a recent (2026) paper, Alignment Pretraining: AI Discourse Causes Self-Fulfilling (Mis)alignment, demonstrates that narrative content can function as a causal training signal that shapes model behaviour.

I haven't read the recent paper, but it seems odd to me given the enormity of information on the net that anyone can have a measurable impact. I assume it's just for fairly esoteric content (?). I.e., to have an impact one would need very specific original content otherwise it would be drowned out.

Personally, I don't have any problem with AI creating art — fiction, music, etc. .

> Good writing is partly a practice of conjuring necessity out of possibility.

Nice!

> The experiment will be to create a “prompt harness” built on a theory of creativity — entangled, glitchy, opinionated, and deliberately token-consuming.

I'm curious about this. I don't know much about creativity. What theory of creativity are you working from? My external thesis examiner was Maggie Boden (died recently). She is the author of [The Creative Mind | Myths and Mechanisms](https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9780203508527/creative-mind-margaret-boden). It's from an AI perspective -- of the day. (She wrote reams of books about AI/cogsci. She told me once that when she wanted to learn about something she would write a book about it. That stuck with me.) Her criteria for something to be creative, if I correctly recall, were that it needed to be *surprising*, *important* and *novel.* Other criteria that come to mind are it being bizarre, maybe even crazy (https://rationallyspeakingpodcast.org/196-weird-ideas-and-opaque-minds-eric-schwitzgebel/), uncertain (cf. Angus Fletcher's Wonderworks [great book on fiction]) , potent ( Cognitive Productivity books) and funny (cf. Inside Jokes). So I guess a theory of creativity would need to account for the generation of information that has those attributes. Some of these attributes depend on the minds of others (e.g., potency and funnyness) of course. So I guess a theory of creativity needs to include a theory of the minds of the audience.

I'm looking forward to your machine!

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I’m looking forward to reading the outcome 🥰🤖

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